Mount Rushmore of Youtube

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Damn.

What's up guys, welcome back to Views. Jason is here. Everybody get excited because Natalie is not here right now.

Where, where is Natalie?

Who cares?

Oh, you do. That's who cares. You care more than anybody.

She gets in at 1:30.

Oh, okay.

So we have some time to Just chat us boys for a little bit.

Amazing.

Finally, just like the old days. Yeah, dude, women always ruin the good things.

Oh, I know, isn't it true? Let's just go off on women right now. You're actually the most like defensive of women out of anybody. Anytime I like start to like complain about a woman, you're like, well, Jay, you know.

No, I'm definitely defensive about women, but on a serious note, yeah, how great is it to have like a boys' night once in a while? Oh, and a girls' night. You know, like girls need their girls' nights.

Yes.

And guys need their guys' night. I just think it's like really cool how like refreshing that is.

But aren't you always trying to get into the girls' night?

For sure.

Yeah.

That's why you like girls. Because I know the value of a girls' night, so like I want to be there too, experiencing all the vibes.

How many girls' nights have you pushed yourself in on over the years? 3. 3.

Well, I just try to go on Natalie's girls' nights because I'm like—

What's the draw there?

The draw?

Yeah.

Like the benefit of it?

Yeah.

Well, here's the thing. Usually like a lot of friends that Natalie has in LA just so happen— I don't want to say I was friends with them first, but I was friends with them first, and then they become Natalie's girlfriends. So then when I'm cut out of girls' night, I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, like, I was—

you made those intros.

I made the girls' night.

Yes, girls' night would be nothing without you.

Girls' night would just be— you guys are all individually by yourselves. Yeah, I brought you together to form this alliance.

No, when they're on girls' night, are you texting, trying to find out updates? No, I don't know. Do you get the lowdown?

I actually don't like— I don't actually go on girls' nights. That was a joke. I have been to one of our mutual girlfriends' birthday dinners.

Yeah.

And it was just me and 15 girls. Yeah, I didn't like that.

You didn't?

No. Especially in L.A., you just like— I don't know.

What are you doing when the 15 girls—

like, I'll have dinner with like a lot of times I'll go to dinner with like 3 girls. Like, they're my friends. It's not just like random girls that I like. I'm going to the club with.

Okay.

And like that I'm used to. Um, but like 15 girls is like—

it's a lot.

It's like, what's going on? Is this guy a promoter? And I, I think that, I think that scares me. And then like, I obviously, I would obviously cover the bill.

Yeah.

So I have to wiggle out of there before that, before the bill comes.

Did you pick up the bill the night of the 15 girls?

I actually don't think there was a bill. I think it was like a comp thing. Okay. So no.

Okay, nice. What are you doing?

But I don't think I would, I don't think I would grab them, but the bill on 15 girls. You wouldn't, unless it was Natalie.

Are you on the phone? Are you on your phone?

Like checking the weather app?

Yeah. Like, I don't know. Are you on TikTok while the girls are talking? Are you like in the convo?

Like, no, I think so. What happened on that dinner day specifically, I just like, I've made an announcement right when I got there. I was like, listen, like, it's looking like I'm the only guy here.

Yeah.

Just want to let you know that I'm uncomfortable.

Okay.

Okay. And I think that, and I think that that kind of set the tone. And then I was included in a lot of things. By the end of the night, you're one of the girls. Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, you start cramping, you start, you start feeling what they're feeling.

Your cycles link up.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. No, I don't know. But also, like, I just like, I love going out with girls.

Yeah.

I think it's mainly because, like, Illya doesn't go out with me. So I've kind of just, like, leaned into going out with girls because it's just like, girls like to just sit around in their little group. And I like to just sit at parties. Like, I don't like to walk around. I like to find the comfiest spot, bring a beer, get some cigarettes, and just sit.

Plant yourself.

Nothing better than planting. Nothing better than that.

When you get to a party, like, that's what I find hard at a club is like, you prefer standing or do you prefer sitting at a booth?

Standing or sitting at a booth?

Yeah.

Why don't people sit at booths? Aren't these supposed to stand on?

Oh, you stand on the booth.

But like, what do I— what do I like doing at clubs? Clubs are hard. Yeah, cuz it's like, I like the type of clubs where like you have a home base.

Yeah.

And then there's also a dance floor.

Okay.

So you're like popping in and out. I don't like the clubs where there isn't a dance floor and it's— you're just in your booth, cuz then it's really impossible to like do anything. And a lot of clubs in LA— well, when we used to go out, like there's just like no space for— not that like I'm like a big dancer, but like I want to like feel the music and like rock my body.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Side to side. But sometimes you can't do that because there's like literally no room at these tables.

And how long do you stay at the club?

About 2 hours.

2 hours?

2 hours.

Any more than 2 hours is no good.

You leave at like 1:30 and then you always go to a house party after in L.A. L.A. is house party central. The one thing I loved about visiting Miami, though, that was recent is we went to the club on a boat and we pulled up in the back of the club, like on our friend's boat that he had.

So sick.

And then you dock, you walk straight into the club, it's done.

You feel like a superhero coming off water to land, right?

Yeah, it's crazy.

It's a crazy feeling.

And it's just like, it's insane. And then when the club was done, we got back on the boat and then we went to two different house parties. By docking at those houses' boats or by docking at those houses.

That's the life.

Like, it's fucking crazy. Nighttime, huh?

Nighttime or daytime?

No, it's like 3 a.m. Oh, wow. You're like taking the boat around the boat at 3 a.m.? Yes.

Oh, wow.

And like you're docking and like everyone's— and it's really interesting because like you don't ever see the front of the house, which is like such a— like when you're entering a house, you always mostly enter through the front.

Yeah.

But like having the back be also an entrance is like just really mind-blowing.

You're pulling up and there's probably party happening on the lawn as you pull up. Exactly.

Wow, like you're pulling up into the— it's like you're an alien that's just like landed his spacecraft. Yeah, like right in the middle of things. There's no like— and there's no like security at the back because like who's pulling up in boats, right? The people that belong at this point, just you and the cartel.

That's it. Uh, you're like a drone.

Okay, I have a question for you. Yeah, who do you think— I feel like you're not gonna have a good answer for this. Okay, just because you haven't been around on YouTube long enough.

Okay.

Who do you think is the Mount Rushmore of YouTubers?

Oh, the four, the four YouTubers that like belong at the top?

Yeah. Hmm.

That's a good one. You'd have to put MrBeast there.

1000%.

Okay. But MrBeast, I got one of them right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think you're going to cut deep enough.

Jacksfilms.

Wow. That's really interesting.

I saw a TikTok of him today.

Oh, today where he was talking about that celebrity?

Yeah.

Yeah, where he's talking about—

Yeah, you got that too?

Seth MacFarlane?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude, I always think that's so weird. Like, so there was a TikTok Jake Shane reposted.

Yeah.

And it was— it had like 1,600 likes.

Yeah.

Not even.

Okay.

And it was him talking about— it was a girl talking about Jake Shane's favorite ice cream at Heavy Handed, which is a local spot here.

Yeah.

And there's soft serve. They have soft serve like dipped in chocolate. Have you seen this? Yeah.

Oh, you've seen the kids get it?

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

You've had the truck here, huh? You've had the truck here.

Yeah, but I didn't know they had ice cream.

Okay.

But I brought that TikTok up. It only had like 1,200 likes, and yeah, Julia, who lives with us, was like, yeah, I just saw that. And I was like, that's so crazy. Like, like something could have so little likes, but like so many people have seen it. Like even the thing that you just referenced, right, didn't have that many likes. But it's weird that we were just like on TikTok at the same time, and we must have—

are people not liking stuff?

No, I don't think that's what it is. I, I don't know. It's I don't know what it is. I just, I get shocked that like, so TikTok's algorithm is just like, it's literally magic.

Yeah.

Okay, sorry, keep going.

I guess, oh, like Shane Dawson.

Okay.

I mean, like he was huge.

Shane Dawson's definitely.

He was huge. Definitely still is.

Dude, you're missing like.

I'm thinking of one.

You're missing two that I'm like shocked, like. Okay, mine would be MrBeast.

Yeah.

Mine would be Nigahiga. Do you know who that is?

Ryan?

Yes, Ryan Higa. The Asian dude? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yes, so he was huge.

Really good.

I remember when I did my movie, they wanted me to cast him as the lead.

Really?

Yeah.

He was like the guy that like, just like, you were like, damn, he's doing YouTube differently. He was a really big deal.

How did he do it?

His just skits were really, his skits were a little too funny for YouTube at the time.

Right.

Like they were just funny enough where it's like, I can't believe I'm getting this for free.

Oh, wow.

That's how it felt. And then, of course, I'd do MrBeast. I'd do Ryan Higa. Yeah. And then I would do, um, I'd do Smosh.

Oh, Smosh. Yeah.

I think there's, there's nothing without Smosh.

Okay.

And then there's, there's a fourth, right? How many people are on Pop Rush? You're at 4 or 5?

4.

Okay. So it's 2 different people that like I grew up watching. And I think this is going to be like a hot take just because I feel like it was a little bit, a little bit more niche. But I think it like started the vlogging era is Shaytards.

Oh yeah, yeah, I remember them. They were a family, right? Yes. Yeah, you gotta get a family vlogger in there.

Yeah, I think that's my Mount Rushmore.

But I've never seen the Shaytards.

Really? No. Oh my gosh.

What did they do that was so cool?

I don't know. I don't know what it was about daily vloggers that was so— I mean, you daily vlog, so I guess you kind of get it. Like, it's like, it just becomes part of your routine.

Yeah, you become really hooked in with them.

Yeah, you become so hooked in with them.

Yeah.

And like, like CTFxC, I used to watch all the time. This guy named Charles Trippy. Yeah. We've brought this up before. I don't know how many days in a row he went, like 3 or 4,000 days in a row.

Oh my God.

I think he vlogged like 9 or 10. Actually, let me, just so I'm not like fucking this up, I wanna look him up right now if he still vlogs. But like, I would watch it every day and every day he would post without fail. And I like—

What would he post?

Oh, he still fucking posts. Are you kidding me?

He does?

Yeah, he is. 5.5 thousand videos. Wow, that's kind of crazy, isn't it? He does not post daily anymore.

He doesn't?

That's really crazy.

What were his videos like?

Well, now it looks like it's more family-oriented, but I used to just watch it. So he was dating this girl named Allie, or married to one. I told you about this. And then he dated another girl named Allie. Yeah, and then they broke up, and now he's dating a girl named Allie. I think, I think that's the lore of it, which is pretty fucking incredible.

Damn.

But yeah, that's— I would put that up there. Who would you finish it off with?

I'd put you on there, man.

No, that doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, I would put you on there because you did something that was like different enough.

I appreciate it.

I really would. Like, you definitely like did something that I thought was so different than everybody else. How about this?

This is something you can definitely speak to. How about the Mount Rushmore of Viners?

Of Viners? That's much easier for me to do.

Do you remember when Vine was pivoting to YouTube? Yes, and like YouTubers hated Viners. Yeah, YouTubers hated Viners because they were like, they're fucking lazy. Yeah, like this content is bullshit, and they were, they were low-key pissed at like how much attention Viners were gaining from like 6 seconds. Yeah, when like YouTubers would do all this stuff, and then I'll never forget it when like you, when Viners started doing really well on YouTube. I was like, I was like, damn, this is like This is, this is like some sort of revenge here on these mean YouTubers that don't like Viners. I just thought it was really interesting. I was like, wow, you guys talked all this shit and now like all these big Viners are becoming really popular on YouTube. Okay, who are your—

uh, Bach.

King Bach, you have to.

Logan.

Logan Paul?

Yeah.

Okay, okay, I'll take that.

I think he used to have like total bangers all the time.

I'll take that.

Marcus Johns.

Dude, right now we're— you know what, actually, I didn't think about it hard enough. I would put Logan there too. Marcus Johns, Logan, Lele Pons. Fuck, that's incredible.

And honorable mention, Brandon Calvillo.

Oh, that's really—

he had some really good ones.

I would put, um, okay, who else?

Randy— Rudy Mancuso. Oh, he had some really good ones.

God, Rudy Mancuso, he was really good at some more. This is so fun. Christian Del Grosso. Christian Del Grosso.

Hey, how had some really good ones. He was funny too. Uh, he was like an actual funny person.

He was a funny person.

Yeah.

Um, I mean, like, I played pickleball with, um, with Marcus Johns the other day. I saw him here. Yeah, which was crazy.

Say, same guy, you know what I mean?

Same guy.

Same guy you always knew. Sweet and just like handsome.

Here's the thing, I never knew him.

Oh, I knew him. Like, I used to come hang out with my kids.

Marcus Johns was the— Jason was in the popular Viner community back in the time, and I wasn't because I was like 16 and I was back at home in high school.

And I was 50.

And Marcus Johns, yeah, Marcus Johns was the first Viner to hit a million. And he was like the first Viner to hit a million followers. Like, I don't think you understand what a big deal that was at the time because that was like the most trailblazing thing that was going on.

Yeah.

And like, I remember seeing that in my hometown, just like completely mind-blown at like, like what a big impact this is, what a big deal that was. I, I still remember the day he posted. He was— it was like, it was like that rap song, like a million, a million, a million, million, million, million, whatever, whatever. It's a millionaire. I think it's a record. Lil Wayne. Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember him posting a, a Vine to that, and I just thought it was such a big deal. And I never met him until here about 2 months ago. Wow. And I thought that's so crazy because like imagine 16-year-old me who looks up to Marcus Johns and I'll never meet him. And like I would never know in my wildest dreams that the first time I'd meet him would be after I lived in LA for almost 10 years. Yeah. At my house playing pickleball.

Yeah.

I thought that was so fucking cool.

What did you say to him?

No, it was just like talk.

He said it was a match.

We focused on pickleball a lot. He came over, he remembers, he's a really good pickleball player.

Yeah.

But that was just like such a crazy thing to experience. I was like, 16-year-old me is like—

It's funny you never met him.

No, I can't fathom. No, no, no, no, he was like, he was so untouchable to me. Like I didn't run in those circles at all on Vine. Like my coolest connection was like Zayden Heath, and then I guess you.

Yeah.

And then Alex Ernst. Alex Ernst was like kind of edgy enough. I love how there were like sections on Vine. You had like your hipsters. You had your popular kids.

Chris Melberger.

Chris Melberger. Another great name.

The name we always bring up is, what's his name, Andrew—

Marbach.

Andrew Marbach.

Andrew Marbach.

He was funny.

Yeah. You had like your hipsters, and then you had your—

Megan Signoly.

Yes, and then you had this category, which is really interesting. You had your Evan Breen's.

Oh, very funny.

You had your Nick Coletti's.

Very funny.

Like, that's all in one, like, little— you had, like, the 4 actual funny guys.

Yeah, yeah.

This was like— this was right before Zach Piona took over. Remember when Zach Piona—

oh my God.

Zach Piona, like, became the leader of that group.

Yeah, yeah, he was really funny. Wow.

Yeah, that was really interesting.

Fuck yeah.

Did you date— I have some things written down here. I want to— well, actually, the biggest thing I have bolded was, imagine being a monkey and holding a grape. I think I brought this up to you because I was eating grapes, but there's no fruit like that.

Can you explain a little bit more? When you said it yesterday, it was like, it's funny, but then I was like, what's he talking about?

I don't even mean like it's funny, like, because grapes are fucking delicious.

You ever watch a monkey eat at a zoo?

Yeah, it's delicious.

Yeah, it's satisfying.

Yeah, they make it look at that. And that's what I'm saying, like a tiny monkey having a grape in his hand, like, there's no fruit that you can make that the size right now for us, you know what I mean? Like, in size comparison and texture-wise, I don't think there's anything that works as much as a grape works for a monkey.

I like the look on a monkey's face when he's eating. He's got that look on his face like, this is mine, I got it.

No, but do you understand what I'm saying?

No, I don't, I'm not listening.

I'm just saying like a grape is just so soft and just watching, like, I just feel like if I don't know, I feel like this is gonna be a lost.

Keep going, let's just try. No, I— Try to get it in here.

I can't.

Come on, pitch it right in the middle.

I'm just saying like—

It's a monkey with a grape.

I'm just saying the texture's so good, and I would kill for a fruit that would be, a monkey doesn't pop it in his mouth a lot. He bites it like an apple.

Oh, I see.

And he takes like 8 bites to get through the grape, like a big grape.

Yes, yes.

And I'm like, imagine if there was the equivalent, the size equivalent of a grape, same texture and everything, for human to hold. Like, that would be so fucking deli—

You want a lab-engineered grape that Taylor can serve to you.

I want a grape that size of a cantaloupe, and I could bite through it. Like, grapes are so watery, it's like literally almost liquid. Like, imagine if we could find— I don't think there's an equivalent fruit to that. Maybe a watermelon without its— without the peels on the outside, without the green on the outside, is the equivalent.

Listen, I like where you're going, and I don't think it's like a pipe dream. I think people, they could cross it. They could cross a grape with a watermelon. That could be done. What you're saying isn't so crazy.

It is crazy that we haven't like, no one's like figured out like an oversized fruit yet.

It happens. I mean, I'm trying to think what's like a—

The only people that do weird things with fruit are like, I feel like in Asia is like they had like really nice fruit.

Yeah. What about a Korean pear?

Melon, huh?

What about a Korean pear?

I mean, that's just like so nice. It's just like a different type of pear to me. I don't—

Oh, really? It's like an Asian pear.

Like an oversized grape.

You're looking more down.

Okay, here's my next thing.

Okay.

Blockbuster.

Okay.

Did you get to experience that as a kid?

Of course.

What was that like?

I literally went to it here in L.A.

Was it expensive? I never did Blockbuster.

Like $5, $6 to rent.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

That's pretty good.

Could—

if you had to go to a movie and pay $25.

You never had to pay $25 for a movie, Jay? Tickets for a movie were like $12.

Two people to go to a movie is $12. Back in the day, like I'm saying like 15 years ago, a movie would be $12, right?

$4 from where I'm from. But yeah, $6.75 if you wanted to go to Regal.

It's still cheaper. Still, it's still a steal. Well, but then the problem with Blockbuster, you had to bring it back. I—

well, well, I— okay, so I never got to experience Blockbuster because it was way— like my parents would never ever pay for a movie.

Oh, really?

No.

You would think that that would be like cheap entertainment.

No, we had a library card.

Could you get movies at the library?

Of course.

Oh, you could?

That was the best part of going to the library.

Oh, you get DVDs at the library?

I'd go to the library every week.

Yeah.

And you could check out like up to 7 movies at a time.

Anything good in there though?

It was incredible, especially when the Blu-ray era got introduced.

Yeah.

And I begged my parents for a PlayStation. I finally got it, which was like the craziest Christmas gift ever. And then, and they, they, I think they got it because it was also a Blu-ray player. Yeah, um, it doubled as a PlayStation and Blu-ray player, and then we started getting Blu-ray movies. And I just remember like the beginning of that was there was— there'd only be like 5 movies available, and then there were 10, and then like I was there for when the library first had its first Blu-rays. And we're talking like Avatar, like the OG OG Blu-rays. And it was a— it was a really big— you'd watch a shitty movie just because it was on Blu-ray. I think another one was Apocalypto now.

Apocalypse Now?

No, Apocalypto Now or something like that. I don't know.

Apocalypto is a Mel Gibson movie. Apocalypse Now is a Francis Ford Coppola movie about war.

I think it's Apocalypto.

Apocalypto, yeah. That's like a religious movie, I think.

I think that's the one. But that was like one of the first ones on Blu-ray, and I remember like, yeah, that was the best part.

How much time did you have to take it back?

Would you have to take 7 days?

You had 7 days.

But like, and then if you miss it, it's like a day— it's like a dollar fee per day late.

But this library, did they only have one copy of Avatar or do they got a couple?

One.

Oh, so if you got Avatar, you were pretty lucky.

It wasn't like that though. It wasn't like a competitive like—

You were the only one maybe that knew about it.

I don't know. I don't really actually understand that. It's a really good movie. Everybody else got Blockbuster. I think there were so many movies and every movie at that time was good.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean? Like every movie, like you'd—

Every movie was good to you because you were 14.

Yeah, and it was like the first time that I'm—

Yeah.

So like, yeah, if Avatar— I wouldn't have even noticed if Avatar wasn't there. I'd be like, let's see what we got today.

It's like when I talk to my kids, I ask them how the movie was. They go, it was great. And like, they've never— I've never heard them say the movie wasn't good.

Oh, interesting. So that still holds up to this day?

I think so.

Oh, I was trying to think about that. I was like, I'm like, I'm wondering what's killing our vibe for movies. Is it the movie themselves or is it TikTok? Because like, that's what made movies so good too, is you had to like go into the library to get a movie. Yeah, it's like, like you wouldn't look up the IMDb on your phone because you didn't have one, right? You just like look at the COVID you'd see the picture, you'd see what it's about, and you'd be like, fuck it, I'm gonna watch this. Or I maybe I've heard about it, there's been a commercial for it, or I remember it played in theaters a year ago. Remember when to watch it at home it took like a year? Yeah, for it to leave the theater.

Yeah, yeah.

So like, like that's how you would learn about a movie, and then you— and then I think you'd enjoy it more 'Cause you like earned the movie, like you brought it home.

I was just talking about this the other day, how everything's just too easy for us now. I went to dinner with my kids the other night and they were— I'm not trying to brag— they were so smart in the conversation that I was just like, I didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.

Wait, what do you mean so smart?

They started to talk about the history of Russian— the Russian economy and the turnover of presidents from Gorbachev to Yeltsin to Putin and how Gorbachev was exiled. They didn't execute him because they've gone through the same classes at the same school. So when Charlie talks about what she's learning in school, Wyatt's like, "Why? I just learned it like 3 years ago or 2 years ago." And it was a really funny moment. They were like talking about that and I was like so tired because we came home from Rio. And then I said it at the wrong time, but I just go, "Did you guys see Roof Man?" That's really funny. And they were like, What?

Wait, this is crazy. I was like, Roofman, do your siblings— or your siblings— your kids discuss all this stuff?

It was crazy. And honestly, I feel like you— if you— if you talk to Charlie now, you'd be like— when I talk to her, I'm like, I don't even know who this fucking person is.

Oh, that's wild.

I don't even know who she is. I—

she's what, 17?

She's 17.

What does she consume?

She loves like Bridgerton. But like, she mostly— what she talks about is like writing and psychology and physics and very, very— a lot of history stuff, women's suffrage.

Okay, do you think—

wild.

Do you think there's a— what, there's a woman? Do you think there's a world in which we're like due for some kind of a new technology? Because I think that's where we're at. I think there's too much of everything. Yeah, that I think very soon we're gonna get one new thing that is just that thing. Does that make sense? Yeah, like there's too many shows, there's too many movies, there's too many short videos, there's too— and I think there's going to be a new category, at least there needs to be in my opinion, that is just that.

What would it be, like paddleball?

No, no, I'm saying like, like the higher level of virtual reality, like the actual, like the monopoly monopolized version of virtual reality.

Yeah, I mean, I guess the next thing is what you always talk about, which is like just being hooked up.

Yeah, yeah, I think kind of that's what— that's what I mean. Did you see like a softer version of that?

You see Zuckerberg has just killed the metaverse.

Excuse me?

Zuckerberg put like $80 million into the metaverse and he's like shutting it down.

$80 million into the metaverse?

$80 billion. $80 billion.

Sounds like nothing.

Oh, sorry, sorry.

Oh, okay, okay.

But remember, remember like a few years ago, it's like, yeah, you're gonna be able to like fucking walk around and buy coffee in the metaverse and You remember all that?

I do remember that. It's done and he's shutting it down. Why?

I guess I don't know. Who's using it?

I think it's like too soon, right? It's like the Apple Vision Pros.

Oh, you think it was too soon?

What do you mean? For sure. The Vision Pros. Do you remember the Apple Vision Pros?

Of course.

Spent like $4,000 on them.

Yeah.

I, for some reason, I got the ones with more memory.

Yeah.

I don't know. I paid an extra $2,000, $3,000 because I was like, I want all the memory. I want to get all the movies on here, which is so unbelievably stupid. And they've like complete— I've never seen Apple like bury a product more.

Really?

Yeah. Do you fucking see anything about them?

No.

It's the same that the Vision Pros remind me the same thing as like the hoverboards back in the day. This—

wow.

They're like so tacky. It's like to have them, it's almost like a joke, right? Like people put them on as, as a joke. It's like, it's almost like, I don't know. What was the drama in the future?

Well, what did you think you'd use it for? Watch a movie?

What was the draw? Yeah. What did I think I would use it for?

Games?

I have no fucking clue. I don't think there was ever— I think I just wanted to like really get my hands on them. I don't think there was ever a thought like this is going to change the way I do everything. I think once they figure out the Meta Glasses to be like— I'm talking like, I think in like 10 years, Meta Glasses are gonna be insane.

What will it be able to do?

I think what it does now, but just like cleaner. Like, you know how like now you can like be in a foreign country and it'll translate things for you through the glasses now. I think it'll start subtitling text a lot better than it does now. I just, I don't know. I think—

I like mine, I can hear music on it.

You wear your Meta Glass? Oh yeah, you do.

Yeah, they're great. I don't even really record that much video with it, but when you take a run and to not have earplugs in your ears, 'cause I have hearing issues, is really nice.

I just, I don't like seeing people I don't like seeing people with them on.

It's— you think it's— yeah, it's unsettling, huh?

It's really unsettling.

You can see if the light's on or not.

No, I know you can, but I just think it's like such a weird— and like, there was a good guy at the club the other day.

Yeah.

That like came up to me just to like ask for a picture, and then he came up to me again 30 minutes later.

Yeah.

And he was recording on his glasses but didn't say anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And like, like, like Like, I don't know. I feel like that's really weird because I'm not— it's not as obvious. It's really weird. And it's like the lights flashing. Like, can you just acknowledge the fact that you're— I don't care if you're recording me, but can you just like say, you say, I'm recording, I'm recording.

I didn't even think of that. And then right now those are my only sunglasses, so I was just walking around Rio, probably turning everyone off.

Yeah, it's very hard to have like a regular conversation with someone that's wearing Meta glasses. I don't know, especially with that flashy light. And even when the light's not flashing, you're like, is it fucking— is it on? What's going on here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll get rid of those.

No, I never had a girlfriend, nothing. Oh, I had a girlfriend when I was 17. I dated the star of the basketball team.

Wait, what's your body count?

I mean, I got— I'm up to like 8.

What?

8?

Are you being serious?

Yeah, I think so.

You've only had sex with 8 people?

Yeah. Really? Yeah. I wouldn't have— I wouldn't— I wouldn't—

I thought you were like a player in college.

No. No, I was never—

Not that 8's like not a lot, but you are way older than the average person.

I know, but I wouldn't have sex with people. I was— I didn't think that was a good idea. And I would give that advice to anybody. Because I— because I— if you have sex with somebody, it's like—

I can't believe I've never asked you that.

They like owe you something. You like owe them something. Yeah, you know what I mean?

You're not the first person to say that.

No, I know, but I feel like most people don't practice that. But I mean, then again, I'm also— I'm also the wrong person to ask because I don't know what's going on right now. You know what I mean? Like right now, it's— when I hear about people— people single or single now, And the things that I hear about the amount of sex people are having and how it's very transactional for everybody, I'm always like, well, it wasn't that way for me.

Really? I feel like back then it was almost like it was not as— wait, what do you mean? What's the difference between— what was it like when you were younger?

I think it probably was that way, but you just weren't hip to it. I wasn't hip to it. I wasn't the person that could pull that off. I was very like I'm not a closer.

Okay, I'm good at—

I'm good at like going to the party and like getting people talking, and then— but that's— but then after that, I'm like not— I'm just— I don't know.

Right? That's crazy.

8. So I never saw myself that way. I never saw myself as like a lady killer.

It's kind of crazy to think about— about 20%— wait, 25% of the people you had sex with you ended up marrying.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm a keeper.

That's crazy.

I'm a romantic.

That's crazy.

Those other 6, they could have been Miss Nash. They were that close.

That's a bullet.

I remember when I started dating Naveen, I, um, I— people, when I got engaged, people came out of the woodwork, which I think is a really weird thing.

What do you mean? Like, they were like, they were like jealous?

Um, I don't know if it's jealousy, but it would be like Like, people would— even people that I wasn't even romantically involved with just like sent me texts like, yo, what the fuck? Like, oh, be like, yeah, yeah, I'm getting married.

Like, excuse me, what do you mean? They were like bummed that you didn't choose them?

No, but maybe they felt like because I had got a fiancée that I wouldn't talk to them anymore, maybe. That's kind of a real thing.

It's a really bizarre experience you're going through.

But do you understand that that is like a kind of a real thing?

I mean, I understand that.

You get that, right?

No, it's actually the opposite. Like, I feel like once you get in a relationship, like, girls are even more down to hang out with you and like talk to you.

Really?

For sure. I mean, that's like, because you're like the safest bet ever. It's like, finally, like a guy friend that I know for a fact is not going to hit on me because he's in a relationship.

Well, what about marriage?

Oh, I don't know. I've never been there.

Also, I guess my engagement in marriage was very fast, so probably—

Even the first one? Wait, where did you and meet?

We met out here doing a TV show. She was the executive on the TV show, and I had two comedy partners, and she came and she bought the show, and then we started dating, and then—

Wait, she bought the show from you?

Yep.

Oh my God.

And so we were making this pilot and my other two partners didn't know that. We were like, we can't tell the other two guys because then she's going to favor me in the script. So then eventually we told them.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, back up. You were secretly hooking up with this Fox executive?

Yeah.

Okay. You were just like a writer, like Joe Schmo, or you were like—

Yeah, I was like, I had like a little sketch show with two guys and then we sold the idea of the live show. We sold the live show as a TV show.

How much did you get for selling it?

Probably got like $25,000 each. Okay, like $75K.

And you just sold the idea? You weren't working on it or anything?

Sold the idea, shot the pilot, didn't go anywhere.

You're basically like a prostitute. You're paid. You're paid.

Kind of. It feels that way sometimes. And the year that they didn't buy our show, they bought The Lonely Island. I remember that.

What do you mean they bought The Lonely Island?

They put— they made The Lonely Island pilot, and then The Lonely Island guys, I I think got SNL after that. Yeah, that's what it was.

Wow.

I'm pretty sure, because I remember, I remember hearing like, oh, we're not making your pilot. And like, okay, cool. And then I remember being like, wait, you made these other 3 white guys' pilot? Oh, interesting.

Wait, how many times were you second in line for something?

So many times.

That could have changed your life.

So many times.

Wait, wait, give me more.

SNL, I was right there. I remember hearing calls like, "You're in the running," for weeks.

How many times have you auditioned for SNL? Just once?

Just once.

Okay. And no one laughs in the room, right?

Nobody.

Nobody?

No, some people get laughs. I didn't.

Okay, wait.

Some people— I've watched a lot of auditions, actually.

And you'll be surprised.

And you'd be surprised, like, some people— like, I remember the year I did it, Fallon did it.

Fallon auditioned the same year you did?

Yeah. Holy shit. And he— and I remember hearing about him being like, they really like this guy Jimmy Fallon, who was a nobody. Not in a bad way, he just kind of came from nowhere.

Who was he before? Isn't that crazy that everyone back then came from nowhere? Like, if you didn't have social media.

Yes, yes, yes.

The fuck, where did you hear him? Like, just from the club?

So funny. Yeah, like, I guess maybe he was around doing stand-up, but the thing was is that he was just really, really, really good at impressions.

Do you think it was easier back then to break into the entertainment industry, or? Easier now?

I think it's easier now.

Easier now maybe to like break in and be like on the outskirts of it. Yeah, I think to be like a household name now, it's maybe tougher.

Well, SNL holds less weight now. There's a guy over COVID— I got a, I got a brand deal over COVID and it was a health— for a healthcare brand deal. And so, uh, they were like, okay, we're gonna shoot this, we're gonna shoot this ad, but it's gonna be over Zoom. And I was like, okay, cool. And they were like, the director was like, hey, is it cool if I hire my friend to play opposite you? He's really funny. His name's Jeremy. And I was like, he sent me his thing. I was like, oh yeah, this guy's really funny. This guy's great. Let's do it. And anyways, we did it. Oh, and I had worked with him before on a Comedy Central thing. He played my assistant and now he's on SNL.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Crazy. Wow. Jeremy Culhane. And he did an amazing Tucker Carlson last Saturday night. And he's really funny, and he was always funny, but it's just that once you get picked and once you get that stage, it's like, oh, now you can really blossom. It's almost like when you found me, it's like, oh wow, I have a stage now, I have an audience. It's like, oh my God, I feel fully realized. And it's the same thing for Jeremy. He's on SNL every week now. He was always funny. He was always a great improv person. He was always you know, quick and did characters, but he just got the shot.

When— who else was auditioning around the same time you were?

That big one, the one who had a lot of heat, was Zach.

Zach who?

Galifianakis.

Oh, he was on SNL?

He wasn't on SNL. He was there as a writer. He auditioned the same year as me. My thing was I was already there as an assistant, and then it was coming up time, and they were like—

Okay, Jay, how is it Brother, I've been trying my whole life.

If you try—

I know, but you were there, like you were as an assistant.

So that actually— I know, and that actually makes it more complicated.

Really?

Yeah.

Why?

It's not like you, like you're great in that if somebody's funny around you, you'll put them right in the video, right? Like if somebody— if John, you'll make John funny, like you're really good at that. But I think over there it's like There's work, there's people that run the show, and they don't necessarily— they don't see you that way. They see you as the fucking guy that gets the coffee. They see you as the guy that they're gonna shit on, and that's who I was, you know. I was like, go run down right now, get Norm MacDonald cigarettes, or he's gonna fucking have a conniption.

Okay, so you kind of like— it was almost like a caste system. Yeah, like you dug your own grave by working there, almost dug my own grave.

So then when I got— when I went, I remember my agent was like, it's gonna be really hard for you to get this. And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, but we'll try." And then I remember I got off the audition, I walked out, and they all came up to me and they were like, "That was so fucking good!" They're like, "Holy shit, we had no idea!" Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so I had left for a year and I was doing stand-up and stuff, working on characters, and then I got the shot and it didn't happen.

Wait, Norm MacDonald was the guy you worked for?

That's who I worked for, yeah.

Did he— was there a moment where he tried to put in a good word for you?

No, it's not like that. He didn't know me as something funny. Oh, he knew me as the guy making the copies. Like, he didn't— I wasn't funny around Norm. Norm was so— no one, no one could be funny around. Like, he was so fun. He was so above and beyond anyone. Him and Farley were like, oh my God, Farley was unbelievable, David. I mean, what a fucking light.

You—

the guy would walk— you know what the great thing about Farley was? It was like Everybody was funny at SNL. Sandler, Spade, Norm Macdonald, they're all funny. Rob Schneider, they're all incredibly funny. Yeah. Imagine, imagine you looked at all these dinosaurs.

Did you just fart?

No, no, I hit my coffee.

Are you sure?

Imagine if I did though. I'll put it in post.

Okay, okay, sorry, sorry.

Imagine, imagine, imagine you're all those guys, right? So funny.

Yeah.

And then Chris Farley walks in, and it's like even those guys were like, oh, I won't even try.

Was it ever like—

Adam Sandler! Adam Sandler's like, I can't, I, I can't even compete with this guy. And he'd probably say it if he was sitting right here.

Was it ever like a battle of egos?

All the time. Oh really? All the time. They would be fighting and they'd be, I'm funnier and I'm funnier, and putting each other down. But when Farley came in, everybody just sat back. It was fucking awesome.

Really?

He was just so like— because he made fun of himself. He'd come in and be like, "Oh, stupid, stupid! What am I thinking? Oh!" And then he'd turn and he'd fucking fall on the floor, and he was so fat and just so fucking funny. Like, I mean, incredible.

Wow.

Maybe, maybe like, I almost think like better than Belushi in a lot of ways.

I'm not familiar. I'm actually not familiar with either of them. I don't think I've seen—

You ever watch like Van Damme by the River?

No, I saw— I've seen like one or two Chris Farley movies.

You never see Chippendales?

No. Was Jim Carrey on SNL?

No, they told him no.

What do you mean they told him no?

Was he already auditioned?

Was he too big?

No, no, he went and auditioned and Lorne was like, no. And then he got, uh—

Jim Carrey's like the most perfect person for SNL.

I know, then he got Living Color, which was against SNL, and that was like an all-black show. And Jim Carrey was the only white guy. Okay. And he killed it.

How many other Jason Ashes are there in this universe?

Open TikTok. There's fucking 10 million of me.

I'm— no, I'm saying like, because I feel like you were like, you were there with everybody.

Yeah. What does that mean? Oh, how many other— oh yeah, there's lots of people that—

like, how many other people do you know where you guys were like, you found success now in like the digital age, but I guess you never got it like through the SNL and through like the mainstream route.

Right.

Like how many people that you would see day to day? Because to me, in my head, like when you describe these stories, I'm like, I see 4 guys and you're one of them. And like, you're surrounded by the greats. And then they just like, didn't give you a chance. Like, I don't get it. Like, what was this? Were you also around a lot of other people that, that were— that didn't make it? Yeah, I guess I'm trying to be nice about this.

There are a lot of people. A lot of people, like, you know, became writers or they became like producers or they left and they made—

You didn't bow out for a while. You like kept trying.

They asked me to stay, and I was like, I really want to be a writer. And they were like, well, no, you can't be a writer, but you can stay. Like, we like you.

What does that mean, stay? Like, stay as an assistant?

Yeah, stay as an assistant. I was well-liked, and I think it— but then there was an offer at MTV to write.

Right, right, right.

And so I took it.

And you would— do you think that if you stayed as the assistant longer at SNL, something else would have happened? I just can't imagine, like, I know you and I feel like if you worked at a place long enough, there'd be just like, all you need is one moment where somebody just looks at you a little different, it's like, whoa, what the fuck was that? Like, we should give him a chance.

It wasn't like that though. It's not like they're looking for the production assistants to be on camera or even write for that matter. There's so many people that are already hired that aren't getting on. So it's like there's featured players that are like writing every week and their sketches aren't making it.

Oh, are they benched? Like, do they have like a bench for like on-screen talent too, or no?

100%. Like, there's a bunch of guys that were on SNL last year, and I thought they were really funny, and they didn't get anything on last year, and now they're gone.

Oh, interesting.

I mean, like, that's, that's the word on the street at least. And now they're back. I'll tell you what's really funny is the Saturday Night Live people that are now doing what we're doing, which I think is really interesting.

What do you mean?

In other words, you're talking about like high-caliber comedy people very funny, like I would say the highest, highest rank of funny.

Are now making podcasts?

And now they're making podcasts and Patreons, and it's like, it's really interesting. But—

I don't think that's that interesting.

You don't?

No, why? I feel like comedians fucking love podcasts.

But to me it used to be when you left SNL, you like went into movies, you went into shows.

Yeah, but that's not a fucking thing anymore.

It's not.

I don't think so.

It's kind of sad for me to wrap my head around that. I know you're right.

I think if anything, you go on like tour and you fucking obliterate on tour.

Yeah, but they're not stand-ups. So what do you do on tour? Improv? Nobody wants to watch that.

I don't really know. I just— I don't think I've ever seen anyone recently. I mean, I don't think I've seen anybody. Wait, who's gone from SNL to—

I mean, like it used to be— Oh, here's a perfect example. Kevin Nealon was an SNL cast member, very funny, and he went into a show called Weeds, which was like award-winning. 'Incredible performance, so funny,' stuff like that.

And no, no, no, no, I know it used to happen, obviously.

Oh, so what are you saying?

That's where everybody— but I don't remember anybody in the last couple years that like has come off of SNL and is brand new and has like gotten some blossoming movie career, right?

That's— no, you're right, you're right. I guess, I guess I—

who's the like the most famous person from SNL right now, in my opinion? Yeah, is Marcelo.

Yes, right. Yeah, and he's not getting big movies yet.

I don't— I don't— but I also don't think he's like— I think he'd easily book movies. I think he's actually the one person that would like obliterate movies. I think he just probably just makes so much money through his stand-up.

Oh yeah, yeah, that is a big thing with, um, and he's already—

I didn't know stand-ups make that much money.

Oh my God, I had no—

like Sebastian Maniscalco is like, what, clearing like $50 million a year or something?

Yeah.

Like, what on earth?

Yeah.

And like, you don't, you don't hear anything about him.

Yeah.

Until maybe he's in your town or he has a special on Netflix.

Yeah. Or until that list comes out. Yeah. And it says Sebastian Maniscalco and Nate Bargatze.

Yeah.

You're like, what? Yeah. Yeah.

It's really crazy. I mean, stand-up comedians are so slept on.

We made money when we toured.

I don't really know. I didn't like really look at that though.

Well, think about it. There's 3,000 people in the audience and— or 20 for us, like 2,000. And think about the math of that. It's, it's a lot of money. And you— and, and we were doing like one show a month. They do it every night.

Yeah. Sebastian Maniscalco's net worth is $45 million. And you would just like never know.

That's his net worth? Yeah. I would think that's what he made last year.

Oh, maybe it is. Maybe it is last year.

Think about a stadium too.

Oh, sorry, it is last year. This is the top 25 comedy tours. Yeah, 84 shows. So this is from one year of shows. He grossed $45 million. The number 2, Gabriel Iglesias, made $25 million. Joe Koy made $23 million. Burt Kreischer made $23 million.

Go Burt.

Kevin Hart, $22 million. Dave Chappelle, $21 million. Chris Rock, $16 million. That is fucking insanity.

Have you watched DTF? You don't watch HBO.

I don't watch shows.

Why?

Because it's just like too much.

What do you mean?

Just like, I don't like that. I'm like, like, I don't like when there's multiple seasons of something that I would— I'll never get into anything because I'm like, I don't— I just like know it's never ending and I don't want to watch that.

What about a comedy though?

I'll watch like a—

that's like a, like a high-level streaming comedy.

Dude, I rarely click on comedies anymore. Really? Like movies too. I don't like watching comedies. The other day when I got back, when we got back from Rio, I sat and I watched a livestream. I'm not going to say who's—

sure.

For like, not kidding, 5 hours. 5 hours I sat there. Wow. I was just laying in bed. I had my phone propped up and for 5 hours I watched this person's full day.

Really?

5 hours.

Really? Yeah, how many, how many people were in the room?

Like, I don't want to say because I think it'll give away who it is.

Okay, okay.

But, uh, but yeah, no, I was like, so, and nothing really was happening, but like, I don't know, I don't know. It's like, I don't, I don't know how to explain that phenomenon of like liking something that's not that good. I don't know what it is. And then in return makes it good because you're watching. I don't know, I don't know what that is, but I think it's like, do you mean like Entourage?

Like Entourage was like—

I think Entourage is good.

Entourage is good, but it wasn't like, you know, it was just fun.

I know what you mean, but that— no, no, no, it's a little—

this is like a little bit more like—

it's so much—

a little more hate watching.

No, not— I don't like the word hate because I never watch a video and I'm like, this is stupid. I just like watch a video where I'm like, what? All right, yeah, just confused watching. Um, but all right guys, Well, that's all the time we have for today's podcast. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you everybody for joining us today. Go watch Jason's daily vlogs. I know I love putting those on every day.

Yeah, you love it. Amazing.

That's the videos I'm referring to, my hate watching. Um, and we'll see you guys soon. Bye.