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It is very real. You want to know the podcast name?
I tried to get Jon for my podcast. He wouldn't do it.
Wait, what's the podcast name?
It's called Heavyweights.
That's funny because Ilya used to have a podcast called Lightweights. And now that Jon's on board, who happens to be, I guess, on the heavier side.
We're going to talk about that on the podcast.
Yeah, I don't know.