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I hate those podcasts. I fucking hate podcasts.
And you don't listen to podcasts either, Nat, right?
No, I do.
You do? Yeah.
I really like Smartlist. I mean, I listen to a couple others, but I like Smartlist.
Smartlist is great.
Yeah. I don't know. We don't do it anymore. I think now it's more free-flowing. But towards the end of when we were doing the podcast before, I wanted every word to have like some— like, I just want everything leading to the next thing, like the vlog. And I e…