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So, so I mean, yeah, they're businesses. So the way they make money is to have more prisoners. And so they're like, we're not going to educate you. We're not going to get you counseling. We want you right back.

November 24, 202014:41David
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Jason14:35
We like to keep it light, Killian.
David14:37
Gotcha. I've got a light.
Jason14:37
I've never even heard the word corporations before.
David14:41
So, so I mean, yeah, they're businesses. So the way they make money is to have more prisoners. And so they're like, we're not going to educate you. We're not going to get you counseling. We want you right back.
David14:48
Even minimum wage, right?
Jason14:49
I agree with what you're saying. Like, I think that's like a better way to like rehabilitate somebody. But to play devil's advocate, let's say your mother was brutally murdered by somebody. Like, would you have— would you be like, send him to the summer camp,…
David15:09
You've got to take emotion out of it. Like, of course, if somebody— yeah, somebody killed my mom, I would stab him with my bare hands. But like, but that's why it's not with your bare hands.