Jason Made $100,000 in Two Weeks

What's up guys, welcome to Views, the podcast where Jason and I sit in my living room and we have a hard time starting the podcast because Jason and I just talk about how good-looking I am for the first 30 minutes of us hanging out.

And just to finish up here, your nose looks— it is similar to Brad Pitt. As you see this diagram I have here, look at the A and the B column.

Jason brought a lot of diagrams today.

And as we merge the two noses, you see that You and Brad Pitt are absolutely perfect.

Thank you.

And are the standard for beauty in the United States and all over the world.

Let's pick this up after the podcast.

Oh, oh yeah, yeah. So sorry, I just, I just really get into my work sometimes.

Let's roll the intro music. Um, what's up guys, I'm David, I'm 22 years old. This is Jason. He's— introduce yourself.

I'm 45. Jason's 45 and living life to the fullest. I am so chipper this morning.

It's the morning time, which sucks because Jason couldn't— Jason fell asleep last night. We were supposed to record the podcast. He fell asleep because I texted him at midnight. And I'm not a morning person whatsoever. And Jason's not a night person whatsoever. So we couldn't get the podcast done last night. So we're going to get done this morning. And we can't seem to win. I woke up this morning and I heard Jason. Jason decided, he was like, well, if David's not coming out, I'm going to do the podcast myself. And he started recording the podcast for 15 minutes by himself. And he was speaking really loudly so I would hear. And it was so annoying that I had to go into the bathroom and turn on the shower and watch a YouTube video to calm myself down.

You took a shower while I was out here?

No, I just turned the shower on.

Just so you didn't have to listen to me?

Yeah, because I'm like this weird— like in the morning, my day can be very easily steered in the wrong direction.

Oh.

Just on my first encounters with people.

Just when some asshole like me gets in your way and just sets you off.

No, but I'm super—

I'm sorry. Let me walk around on eggshells here all morning.

No, I'm just super cranky in the morning. So if there's one thing that's just not going my way, my entire fucking day is just like, fuck Jason for speaking so loudly this morning.

I'm trying to get you out here.

Hey, you're fine, I'm just saying.

If anyone wants to hear the 9-minute podcast that I made by myself, tweet me, and I'll tell you, it is full of some great nooks and crannies. I tried to make it as boring as possible to get David to come out here.

The worst part about not being a morning person and being around a morning person is how much fucking energy you have.

I'm hyped, I'm ready for this podcast. I love views, I love being here. I know. And I don't like what you're saying that you're this cool night person and I'm this nerdy morning person.

I'm not saying that at all.

That's what it is, that's what you're saying.

I would love to be.

'Cause I asked you what you did last night, me. I was like, did you shoot last night?

I was just editing, just hanging out.

No, you weren't. Yes, I was.

I was editing for my Twitter videos.

Oh, so you were editing last night?

Yeah.

I thought you like had a big party here without me. David has a friend who invited me to a party, and she's, she's like, you know, even younger than David, and I really like this person.

I told Jason, I told Jason, I'm like, yeah, she wants, she wants all of us to come, like our entire group. And Jason's like, Jason's like, are you sure? Me too. He almost started fucking crying.

I did. I said to David, I said, you should just call her and let her know that she doesn't have to invite me to these things considering I'm probably older than her dad. I probably won't go anyway.

Yeah, you will.

No, no, I don't want to.

You have to go because, because that's gonna be so much fun to shoot you at a party with a bunch of 18-year-olds. Yeah, you know how fun it is.

I guess, um, sometimes it is.

Yesterday I was sitting on the couch with my, um, my assistant and we were— can you stop shaking your leg? It's really scaring me.

Oh boy, I don't want to set you off and send you down the wrong way. This is a—

you're just wearing cargo shorts and you're shaking your leg.

Be in a— be in a fucking mood.

You're in a mood at night, do you know what I mean? You, you get—

you're— I don't think it's a lot to ask to not record the podcast at 12:30 at night.

It's not, it's not, you're right. But I'm just saying, who are you, Kid Cudi?

You got to get in the studio like at 3 AM.

Dude, isn't that fucking crazy how like rappers actually run like really late? Yeah, remember, were you at that concert, uh, when we went to the Super Bowl?

Yeah.

And, and Cardi B was supposed to come out.

Oh yeah.

And we got there, she was supposed to come out like 10:30 PM.

Even you were over it. Even you were like, I'm gonna go.

And we got, we got there at 10:30 PM. Cardi B was supposed to perform. This wasn't like a, this wasn't like an Allstate Arena type of concert. It was more like a, like a laid-back type of concert, right? Like it was, it wasn't like the super organized thing. And, um, We got there at— we got there at 10, just in case, so we didn't miss it. Um, no one came out till 11.

We were waiting for Cardi B, G-Eazy.

Yeah.

And the other guy.

Yeah. And, and no one came out till 11, and I'm like, okay, Jason, let's wait till 11:30 and then we're out of here. Like, there's no way someone can show up an hour late. And then we waited till 11:30, no one showed up, and I was just like, we waited this long, we might as well wait till 12. No one showed up. It was still the same DJ up on stage, like the DJ that like pumps up the crowd. He was still on there and he was getting so annoying and it was already 12, so she's an hour and a half late. And then, and then Zane and Scott and Heath or whoever was there with us was already kind of— they were already kind of drunk. It was Todd and Scott. They're already kind of drunk, so I'm like, might as well stay because maybe something funny will happen because my friends are drunk. So we stayed till 1 and nothing happened. So, so then I was like, I can't, I can't do this anymore. I was getting I felt like crap. I'm like, I have to leave.

We did see G-Eazy though, right? No, I remember seeing him.

No, we didn't.

We didn't. I made that up. Yeah, I'm having delusions of grandeur.

We had—

I'm losing my mind because I'm old.

We had such a long day, and then, and then, and then we decided to leave around like 1:15, 1:20, and then we had a flight also that left at 6 in the morning that day. Remember, we always do. Yeah, so, so I'm like, we have to get back so I can get at least 3 hours of rest. Um, as I was getting ready for my flight, which was at like 5 in the morning, um, uh, I got a text from Todd and Scott saying they're coming back to the hotel. Oh yeah, because Cardi B didn't get on till 3:30 in the morning. Wow, nuts.

That was before she was pregnant.

She was supposed to come on at 10:30.

Oh, maybe she was pregnant then. Maybe she didn't know.

Who cares?

Maybe she conceived that night. Maybe Scott's the father.

Shut the fuck up.

I wonder.

It's not the point of the story. My God.

This is going to be a rough podcast, guys. Buckle down. There's going to be a lot of fights. But in the end, we're going to prevail. It's going to be entertaining. We know it. I can feel it.

Anyway, I was sitting on the couch yesterday with my assistant. And she was— I think she made a lot of inroads with a lot of people here in LA. She's friends with a lot of people, like a lot of different publicists and stuff. And she texted me saying, she texted me saying, are you going to invite David to that Emmy party or is it just me? She texted me that while she's sitting right by me. And I'm like, and I'm like, by accident? Yeah, by accident. And I'm like, what Emmy party? And she's like, what? And she's like, oh shit, texted me that right when she was sitting next to me talking about an Emmy party that she's not inviting me to.

Well, you know, she's going out, she's building Dobrik LLC. We'll see.

Yeah, she's already, she's already independent.

Yeah, no, she's, she's going out to these Emmy parties to get you, you know, contacts with new people.

Yeah, she comes back at like 2 in the morning just drunk out of her mind.

Yeah, but honestly, better her go than you. She'll probably get more done than you. Oh yeah, there were some kids outside your house, uh, trying to find you, trying to find your house.

Yeah, yeah.

And, uh, I just, I was like, I was like, hey, are you, uh, they, they first— I drove, I drove out, and they ducked down. Sure. So I was like, okay, that's really weird and suspicious. So I stopped and I was like, hey, what's up? And they were like, oh, hey, hi, um, we're, we're, we're lost, we're lost, and we have to go to the bathroom. And I was like, oh, I was like, um, are you looking for David's house? And then they go, no, yes, like that. So they didn't have their story together. And, um, And the one in the front, um, first when I drove out, the one in the front was ducking and the one in the passenger seat was waving. So they just weren't together on anything.

So one of the girls was just like, pretend everything's normal. Yeah, everyone was like, let's just go for it.

Yeah, one of them was like, there's nothing wrong with waiting outside someone's house and stalking them. And then I go, I go, I go, yeah, yeah. And it was just really silent because I didn't want to say the words like, get out of here. And then they go, they're like "this is kind of creepy, huh?" And I was like, "Yeah, it's a little creepy." I said, "I'm sure you guys are really nice." And I go, "And you know what? David's really nice." And just long silence. And then they go, "Okay, we're gonna go." Because you know, you got to be so careful what you say nowadays to people. You know, I try to choose my words better. I'm really working on that.

I send you to scare away people.

"Oh no, he's coming!" I'm not having this shit!

Not today! You fucking kids! You think this is goddamn Disneyland? Kathy, Kathy, drive away before he asks for a picture with us. Hey kids, you want a picture with me?

Oh no. Sending his desperate old friend out.

Means it's time to go. Um, well, it seems like you handled that situation nicely.

I handled it right? Yeah. Oh, finally I did something right in your book. Thanks. I didn't know what else to do.

I heard you had your own TV show once at one point?

Yeah, one time I was so broke, like, well, pretty much my whole life, but one time I was so broke and I was like, things were really bad.

What's the lowest amount of money you've had in your bank account and when was that?

Negative $1,600.

You've been negative? Sure.

Really? Oh my God, like all the time. Wow. Yeah, I led my life poorly. I wish I could do it over again.

Do you think it was your fault or do you think it was just like, it was just No, it was totally my fault.

I should have just gotten a job and worked at a bank or something. I should have just quit. I should have— I set out to like be a comedian, but then I got married, so then I was like, I didn't really want to go on the road and leave my kids, so I was like, well, I'll stay.

That's a mistake, huh? Trying to be a comedian but getting married first.

Yeah, yeah, that was a mistake. But I, but I wanted to be more— I didn't really want to be a comedian. I wanted to be like more of an actor or like a producer or a writer. What, what's so funny? What? I made a couple movies. I was trying. I'm fucking— I mean, look, if Vine hadn't— if YouTube hadn't come along, like, I would have made another movie. Maybe it would have been better, maybe it would have been worse. I don't know, but I definitely would have made one.

How old were you when you had negative in your bank account?

Oh God, no, I'm late 30s. Really? Yeah, until Vine came. Oh, definitely. And there were days I had negative in my bank account.

Was there— was there ever— was there ever a time where you were begging for money?

Like, out on the street or wherever?

Or like, you have to call a friend and you have to be like, I need to borrow money?

No, I would never borrow money from a friend. No, no, I would just— I, I would work like, you know, I would work for my friends sometimes just to make extra money, but no, I would never borrow money. Did you ever steal? No, I only stole one thing once. I stole a pack of cigarettes once when I was in college. That was it.

Why'd you steal a pack of cigarettes?

I don't know, because this guy came back to the dorm and he was like, they had stolen so much, like 40 different people were stealing, and they're like, yeah, you can just take stuff there, they don't care. And I was like, huh, really? And then I went down there and totally got caught.

It's always— kids always steal cigarettes. I feel like that's like the most— like, that's like— that's like my friends would do that too. They'd steal cigarettes all the time, and they were like 13 years old.

Oh, right. They're hard to steal now, aren't they? Aren't they behind the case?

Yeah, they're behind. Yeah, it's tough now.

Well, anyways, yeah, so I just got this job, and, uh— oh no, I was, I was really broke, and I was at the gym, and this guy—

well, this is—

huh? The story isn't adding up.

Well, I was at the gym. I had a gym membership. It was already paid for, so I figured I'd go. You were at the gym, and this guy called me, and he just goes, he goes, Jason Nash? And I go, yeah. And he goes, I want you to host your own TV show. And I was like, all you have to do is suck my cock. I was like, okay, come on. I was like, who is this? Sure. And he was like, I'm not kidding. He's like, my name's Eric Pankowski. What is the name? Eric Pankowski.

That's bullshit. No, it's his name.

Look him up. Look up Eric Pankowski. Okay. Uh, you just tell— he's an accomplished television producer. My name is Eric Pankowski, and I think you've got You've Got What It Takes. It was weird. It was like almost like he was trying to sell me something.

It's like you were on the TV show already. My name is Eric Pankowski and you're watching I'm Gonna Make You a TV Show. Yeah, You've Got What It Takes.

Yeah, I'm gonna give you your own TV show. All you need to give me is $36,000. So it was kind of like that. And I was like, okay, yeah, whatever. And, um, he's like, yeah, I'm— he's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't hang up. And, uh, he's like, yeah, I work.

Oh, he called you on the phone?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was like, and He's like, I work for TMZ and we're doing like a, you know, spin-off of TMZ. And I was like, oh cool. But it was like a clip show. And then I went over there. Oh, and he goes, where are you right now? He goes, I need you to start right away. And I was like, what? I was like, this is crazy. I mean, this is a good story about LA, how things can happen like just out of nowhere. You can get really lucky. And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna pay you like $10,000 a show. He was talking money in like the first minute. And he was crazed, 'cause he had to get this show out the air. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, you're gonna be on in 50 markets, syndicated. And I was like, okay, okay. He's like, where are you right now? And I'm like, I'm at Crunch. And he goes, no way, no way. This is so weird, dude. I go, why? He goes, my office is next door to Crunch. Get over here, get over here now. And I was like, this is, this is a prank. This is so crazy. And I walked in and I didn't know it was TMZ and I had, why I walked in.

You got your ass beat.

Yeah. And then I walked in and then, um, you, you walked into TMZ? I walked into TMZ, but I didn't know TMZ was next to Crunch. Oh, okay. And I walked in and they were like, and I, and I was like, oh my God, this is TMZ. And they're like, what's up? I was like, uh, so nice to meet you. Um, when can you start? He's like, we want to start— we want to start tomorrow, start filming tomorrow. And I was like, start filming what? He's like, it's a clip show, it's going to be like, you know, like Tosh.0 or like Ridiculousness. And I was like, okay. And I had no like prior hosting experience or anything. And then sure enough, end of the story is I, I taped like— I probably did like 2 weeks, I did like 10 shows, and it got canceled. And that was it.

You did 10 shows?

Yeah.

How much you get paid?

I think I got like $10,000 a show.

Get the fuck out of here!

Yeah, you're kidding. No, so I made a bunch of money, but then it was, it was just over. Like, it was— you're fucking—

you got $10,000 an episode? Yeah.

Bullshit. No, I did, I did. I made a lot of money. It was like one of the only times that I like did something and it was on the air. I was like so stoked. Oh my God, I was so excited.

You made $10,000 an episode? Yeah. Just like that, from a random— how did this guy know you?

He didn't. He, he saw a short film I made. I made this short film, um, about like a husband and wife.

Was it on air?

It— yes, it was. It was on. It was on after TMZ.

So this guy wasn't bullshitting at all? No. Oh, you were on actual television?

Yeah, but it— but then it just, it just didn't— like, that's what's so crazy about it.

Could have been your big break.

Could have been. Wow.

But, but then you— for this, because You, every time before we start the podcast, I'm always like, Jason, do you have any stories? And he's like, nah, man, I don't, I don't have anything. And I'm like, there's no fucking way.

You don't like anything that I have to say. I'm like, you look at your phone every time I tell a story.

I'm like, you're, I'm like, you're 45, there's no way you don't. And then he has all these stories in his back pocket that come out of nowhere as if they weren't cool stories. You make $10,000 from a guy who thought that you were cool at a gym. That's pretty insane. Yeah, Jason will be like, I'm out of stories. And then we'll be at lunch one day just sitting with friends, and then he'll be like, and I'll be like, oh, that's funny. Yeah, I used to own a cat once. It turned out it was a mutant cat, and it turned into a superhero, and it flew out my back window. And I'm like, why the fuck didn't you tell me this story earlier? And then he goes, I just didn't think it was that special. I'm like, you have a superhero cat? And he'll hold back these stories, and then once in a while, they'll just fucking come out of nowhere.

I really miss Tom.

He was awesome.

I mean, Tom the Cat.

Tom the Cat. Tom the Super Cat. That's insane. You made $100,000.

It was pretty good. It was the best job I ever had. It was so great.

And you shot in 2 weeks?

We shot every day.

That's what's so amazing about these shows is like they'll shoot a show like, oh, like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, right? Or yeah, they'll shoot like— this is true. They'll shoot like— I mean, I'm pretty sure it's true because I know this. I have other people. I have friends that host stuff. And I know how stuff works and I assume that it's like this for other stuff. I just don't wanna name the shows that they're actually working on. But let's say a show like Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, they'll shoot all of the episodes in 2 weeks. They'll shoot 4 episodes a day and they'll be done in 2 weeks. And the host will make, the host will make $70,000 an episode. So that's 4 episodes a day, $70,000 an episode. And they'll shoot in the middle of July, which is so cool, because like they'll have the Christmas episode that they're shooting, and everybody in the audience will be wearing Christmas sweaters, and he'll be wearing a Christmas hat. And it has nothing to do with summer, but it'll air during Christmas. And what's so amazing about it is they'll be done shooting it July 30th, and he won't have to work till March till it's done airing. You know what I mean? It'll just air every week, once a week. And people will be like, oh, he's so busy, he's shooting this every week. But he got it done in 3 weeks.

Certain gigs are great. Like, that's particular—

that's, that's a very good gig. Incredible about, about jobs out here is like, that's not like— that's not how it is like when you're doing YouTube, you know what I mean? Like, YouTube is like every day you start with a clean plate. Yeah. And it's brand fucking new. I'm not saying YouTube's harder than hosting a TV show, but it's just like you just start brand new with a new slate. And you gotta, you gotta do it all over again after you post. Yeah, everything's out the window. It's time to make a brand new video, and it just, it sucks for that reason that like you can't relax.

Yeah, and there's not like a team in place around you helping you or anything. It's all on you. Yeah, to finish it.

That's incredible. I auditioned once for, um, I don't know if I've talked about—

did you have a big audition recently?

No.

Yeah, a couple months ago you did.

Uh, no, no, not really. I was in the garage, but I auditioned once for, you know, those commercials on like I may have talked about this actually, those commercials on, on like the radio and on TV, and it goes, "Do you or your child want to be a Nickelodeon star and star in your favorite TV shows like Drake and Josh, iCarly?" You know those? Yeah. You know that commercial, right? Yeah. It's like, it's like a pretty fucking popular commercial. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was just like, I was in the car with my mom and I'm like, "Yes, I want to be on Nickelodeon like Drake and Josh and iCarly," and like I've always wanted to be an actor as a kid. Yeah. Like I really didn't talk about it much, I asked my mom to like have me like audition for it.

Yeah.

And we went in and I was— you went to Chicago?

Yeah, like downtown.

We went downtown to audition for it.

Yeah.

I was in a room like with like 40 kids and 40 parents. Like it was just a huge waiting room. It was the biggest doctor's office you'll ever see. And I went in to audition and they had me read a couple things and like it was super— like there wasn't a script. They just had me read in the moment and they were like, act scared. And then they were like, "Okay, now act happy." And like, I was doing all this stuff, and I was like, "Whatever, I fucking did all right." I was a kid, so I don't know how I was—

How old were you?

I was like 13.

Oh, that's so interesting.

I was like, "I don't know how I acted. I probably did like shit." And I know I did like shit. And then 5 days later, my mom gets a call, and we had one of those phones where you can pick up from another part of the house and listen in. So my mom was on the phone downstairs, and I was on the phone upstairs. And my mom gets a call, and it's— and I'm listening because I know, I know it's from them because my mom's like, pick up, pick up, pick up the phone! They're on the phone, and they're like, hi, uh, Mrs. Dobrik? Yeah, like, yes. She— then they're like, we loved your son. Absolutely. The producers, everyone loved your son so much. Really? We want him back. We want to work with him more. And my mom just fucking screamed. She was like, ah, like that. And it was so fucking exciting. Yeah, it was like the best moment ever.

Then what happened?

And then we went back to like the— like, they're like, come back, let's have one more meeting, let's figure this out, this is great. Like, they were so fucking excited. And then we went back and like we sat down with someone in like an office, and they're like, yeah, we loved it so much, we're so excited. And they're like, you, uh, we want— we want him to be ready for television. And then they, and then they pulled out a packet of like proposed pricing options. No. Yeah, for like different, for like acting classes. No, we want him to be ready so he can do this 3-month thing for $7,000, or you can do this 2-month thing for $3,000.

Yeah, that's heartbreaking.

Yes, it's all a fucking scam. It's all a scam.

So it wasn't Nickelodeon? No, it wasn't like Nickelodeon Chicago, because I was like, I don't think Nickelodeon's in Chicago.

No, I mean, I'm sure people that work at this like acting place have worked at Nickelodeon. Sure, they get away with it, but it was all a fucking scam. And it's still on the radio, like it's still—

it still plays. Total scam.

And does— and does some have people maybe come out of it and been on Nickelodeon? Maybe. But it's— it's— it's just to get you to sign up for this acting stuff.

That happened to my mother and father with modeling. My mother got modeling shots and she brought them home and they talked her into paying $250. My dad My dad yelled at her, so he went down there.

I remember this. Your dad, your dad flipped at your mom. Yeah. And paying money for modeling.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The same thing happened to them.

And then what happened with your dad?

And then they talked my dad into it.

Your dad went down there to yell at him?

Yeah. And then we told that story on Cape Cod. We were sitting around the table with, uh, Trisha and my mom, and I told Trisha the story and she thought it was funny. My dad goes, yeah, well, I was, I was the only, I was the only one who got work.

He was—

and my mom was like, no, you didn't. She's like, I got work. Two models.

Wait, but it was— but your dad went down there to yell at him? Yeah. Like, you ripped my wife off? Yeah. And then— and then they were just—

and then they talked him into a photo shoot. So funny. Yeah, it's only funny because it's my dad. I had— I had a similar thing like that when I went to, um—

I mean, your life's probably been filled with full fake opportunities.

Yeah, so many things like that.

That's why LA fucking scared. I've been to meetings where I've been like, where I've like talked to people and they've promised me good things, and I have literally told them to their face, I'm like, I know this isn't gonna happen. Like, why are you doing this to me? Yeah, this is like, can we get this done in the next 3 weeks? And they're like, yes. And I'm like, I bet your fucking ass we won't get it done in the next 3 weeks, right? Like, I've been in meetings where I've been like, I just like, this isn't— you're not gonna get this done. Yeah, you're fronting. Like, this isn't a real thing. That's not how LA works. It's crazy. Nothing in LA, I mean, some things get done overnight, like your amazing workout gym deal, which is like one in a billion. One in a billion. Yeah. Everything in LA, I mean, I haven't even been here that long, but it takes months to get going. It's, it's not, it's not like, it's not like having, that's why YouTube is so special is because you have an idea and you're just like, I'm gonna fucking run with it and you do it. But in LA, shit takes months of development and it's It's horrible. It's horrible. And it always falls through too. It's not like it takes months and it's a guaranteed thing. It takes months and there's chances of it falling through at every fucking step.

I had a funny meeting once with some social media guys who were starting an app, and I met with them on Melrose, and they were there. They're like, we have the new thing. This is what everyone's going to be doing. He's like, and you're going to be the first one in. And he pulls out a baseball hat with a— just with a camera on the hat. And he was like, when you sign up for our, you know, our app, he's like, we're going— everyone's going to be wearing these. So I was like, okay, so everyone's just gonna be walking around with hats with cameras.

Like, it's like, it's like a baseball cap with a GoPro on it.

Yeah, yeah, it was a very tiny GoPro, and they gave me one, and like, I used it in a couple Vines with Brandon. But, um, they were so sure that this was going to be like— and I was like, well, you can't do that. You can't just walk around filming everybody, or at least make it hidden so no one can see it. Oh, no one wants to talk to you if you can see the camera on the brim of your hat.

App developers are the most, like, confident and just, like, uh, so out of touch with reality people I think I've known. Like, a lot of app developers—

what's a bad app? You have any good bad app stories?

I don't have any bad app stories, but— oh, well, yeah, I do. There was this company, uh, I don't want to say the name. Sure. But, um, But it's bullshit how easy it is to like— the thing about apps is why companies are so successful with them is because there's a young guy who's 24 who has this brilliant app idea. And then he goes to 10 investors who are all in their late 50s who don't understand jack shit about apps. Who don't understand anything, but they have billions of dollars in their pocket. And then they go to them and they go, hey, I have this app idea, it does this, and I'm going to get it off the ground because I know David Dobrik and he has 8 million subscribers on YouTube. And if he shouts it out once, that means at least half of the people are going to go download this app. So right off the gate, you have 4 million downloads, right? Which is not true. If I shot out an app, You'll get maybe 0.5% of my audience going to it.

Sure.

Maybe not even. But these older guys, these older investors don't understand that.

They don't get that. They don't get how social media works. And they assume that there's a younger guy coming to them talking to them about an app. They assume that this guy knows everything. And they're like, that's brilliant. I love this. You have David Dobrik. You have a top influencer on this program. Here's $10 million. Yeah.

And that's what they do.

And this is what happened with one of the apps I used to work with. Actually, I never worked with them because they never gave us the job. They spent all their money on rent for a big house. They spent $40,000 a month for this house, and they would throw a party every other day at this house. And they would get performances from like Tyga. Kylie Jenner would come out. And it was called— let's say that— I don't want to say the app's name, but let's say it was called Carpet. The house was called the Carpet House. Right, like it was named after the app. There's a big LED sign, um, right in the front of the house that said the app's name. And every other night they would have huge parties for like 2 months straight, ginormous parties of— and like big, like, like Ray Sherwood would come and like Tyga would come, Kylie Jenner would come. And the only way— the way you'd have to get into the party is you have to download the app. And, and that— and that's how they would spend the money. And these, and these app influencers All they heard was, "This is an app that kids are gonna love." They have no idea what kids love, 'cause they don't fucking understand apps, 'cause they still work on their Sidekicks. And then you have these young kids who are quote-unquote entrepreneurs, who are 26, and who are spending money on Tyga, and all these people. So like, all these people in LA get rich off these apps that they have in development that never take off. So you have all these app developers, So when you're an app developer, you can ask for money from an investor and cut yourself a large check and never even have your app see the light of day. You can go to an investor and be like, I have this idea, give me all this money, and then cut yourself a check for $1 million. And then the app never goes through and the investor's like, well, I mean, that's what I invest. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And no one gets pissed, but these app investors have so much money. Or sorry, these app developers have so much money.

And probably back then too, like, there's so many apps now, but before it was probably really great in the beginning. Yeah, where it's like, I have this idea, I have this idea, I have this idea.

And it's so shit because none of these ideas are actually fucking like profitable, profitable. But these people, like, either they're— either they know they're not profitable and they're scamming all these investors, or they are profitable and I don't know. Regardless, the whole thing is pretty fucking botched. But there's a lot of different ways to make money in LA, which is kind of, kind of scary. Today's show is sponsored by Talkspace, the online therapy company that lets you message a licensed therapist from anywhere, anytime. All you need is a computer with internet connection or the Talkspace mobile app. That means you can improve your mental health even if you've had trouble making time for it in the past. That's cool. I know a lot of people that use this, that, um, or at least that have therapists like on the phone, on call.

Uh-huh.

I always think that's so strange. Therapist, huh? Isn't that such a weird concept?

Yeah, maybe you haven't been exposed to it, but it is, it's really great.

No, I know it helps, but it's just—

You haven't been to therapy, have you?

No, never.

Yeah, I mean, I've been a bunch. But I mean, you know, you're young, you'll go at some point.

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Oh yeah, no, it works for almost everybody, I think.

What is almost everybody? It didn't work for you?

No, I just have to keep— I just have to go a lot more than everybody else.

Yeah, a lot of people—

I—

the part that makes like—

like, but the main thing is like, you know, yeah, don't be afraid to call somebody and talk to someone.

The part that's so interesting to me is like you can call a therapist and it's like— and you can like get into— like, this is how I imagine it, like you get into this really deep conversation and you're unraveling a bunch of things, and then they're like, the hour's up, I gotta go. Do you know, like, isn't that crazy?

That's so funny. That is— it's happened to me so many times that I've been in therapy.

Like, it's so insane. Like, it's like— and it's like, and then my dad brought the belt out, and then—

I'm so sorry, time is up.

Like, like, you could probably be convinced that you and your therapist have like this special bond.

Yeah.

And then, and and you'll get to the hour and then you realize that they're just doing their job. Like, they're just your paid friend.

That's what they are. Yeah. Or when you lie to your therapist. Like, I've done that.

Why? What have you said?

Just like, just, I don't know, just not telling like the whole truth about something.

Oh.

And then you're like, well, why am I doing that? I'm like, she's the person I should be—

Oh, 100%.

Saying all this stuff to.

You make yourself seem like you're okay.

But I went, I went for therapy with my, um, my ex for a long time. Really tried to save the marriage. We went to a great therapist. She was so great.

Oh, great. How would that—

I'm curious.

We went to one. I went to— I used to go to a guy, and, um, and he was a really nice—

here's one of Jason's stories— and turns out he, he shot spider webs out of his ankles. Why haven't you said this before?

No, I went to this therapist for a really long time, and he was really great, and I really liked him. And I, I guess I was in there like bitching about my marriage for like a lot of it, you know what I mean? Week after week. Week after week after week. So he said, well, I really would love her to come in for one session. And I said, great. So I called Marnie, and I was like, hey— or not called Marnie, I was living with Marnie. I was like, will you come see my therapist? Marnie was like, of course, like, yes, like, I want you to be better, and I, I could probably use a talking to as well. We got in there, he just— he like eviscerates her in the session. Like, he just came at her, and I was like, it was as if— as if— as like I was just poisoning him for weeks and weeks and weeks.

It's like, it's like if you're talking shit to a friend and then your friend finally sees your wife and he's like, you're a fucking bitch.

Exactly. It was just like that. Wait, what? Yeah, he was like, he's like, why do you do that? Why do you tell him what to do? Why do you control every moment? Why do you need to, you know? And, and she was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's been going on in here? It was like almost like I set her up, but I didn't know he was going to do that at all. I figured we'd go in and—

and that's what ended your marriage. Yeah, I mean, it didn't help that final therapy session.

Oh, I'll tell you what ended my marriage.

Oh, fuck.

Hold on, you want to hear that? Yeah. Is that too deep for the audience?

No.

What was— what ended your marriage?

It reminded me you were telling that app story. One thing that really pissed me off—

she started an app.

She started a competing app, and it turned out she's Postmates now.

What ended your—

oh, your marriage. I remember I got a job on Vine because I was going to ask you this. When you got— when you were on Vine, and when was the first time you made money.

Oh, I know exactly when I was. I was, um, I had like 300,000 followers. I was at a Buffalo Wild Wings with all my friends and I got a— I got a call and it was from the Badoo app and they were— and they were like, we want to pay you $50 for a Vine. And I fucking— I was outside of Buffalo Wild Wings and I was staring at the window, like through the window, at my friends having lunch and I was just fucking— I had the biggest smile on my face, like looking them directly into the eyes. I'm like, these guys have no fucking idea how much I'm about to make.

And meanwhile, Marcus Johns is making like $50,000.

Yeah, yeah. And I walk back into the— into Buffalo Wild Wings, and they're like, what is it? What happened? And it's like, I've never had— I've never had lunch with this many of my friends. It was like 8 of them. And I'm like, I'm getting paid $50 to post a Vine. And they were all like, are you fucking serious? And like, my friend John is like, it paid off. Dude, it paid off. And I'm like, yes, it paid off. I fucking told you, John. I told you, stick with me and more of this shit's gonna happen. Um, and yeah, I fucked— okay, you had the mozzarella sticks, $50. And, and they're all making jokes. They're like, David, you should pay for this meal. And I'm like, I could, I totally could. And it was a really big deal. But yeah, I made $50.

I remember I got offered, I got offered I got— this is what ended my marriage— I got off at $700 to go to Mike Tyson's mansion in Las Vegas for— and, and I remember I had to go do something with my ex that weekend. I had to go to her dad's thing, and she was like, she's like, you're not going. And I was like, yeah, I am. And then that was it. And I did eventually— I did go, but I was like, I thought that that was— I was like, that was a chance for me to like go do something. And I got paid, I got paid $700, and I thought that was incredible.

So, so that was like Because your wife wasn't letting you do certain stuff with Vine.

Yeah, she just thought like, oh, that's like a waste of time or whatever. But I knew if I like didn't take that— I knew if I took that job and it went well, maybe I'd get another one. So I was like, oh, I could— this could save me. Like, I was broke, broke, broke, broke, broke, and Vine was doing like okay. I was like— and then I had heard that people were making money on Vine, and I was like— I was like, and I hadn't yet. And I was like, well, that would be incredible if someone would pay me to make videos. Wow. And, um, and yeah, that was like a big point of contention. And then my therapist told her to fuck off, and that was it.

Wait, that's pretty— but isn't that— okay, but back to your therapist thing. Isn't that like a weird thing for your therapist?

That's not okay.

What did you—

what did you—

did you— I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, Mark, hang on.

Did you and your wife get into a big fight?

Yeah, I mean, I mean, get a big fight, but she was like, what the hell was that? Yeah, she was like— and I'm like, I know that was bad. I was like, I am so sorry, I didn't know he was gonna attack you.

Did you— that, that's how— well Whatever. Did you and your wife ever— like when you guys went to couples therapy, right? How did that— I'm curious as to how it didn't work. Like how does talking to someone else about your problems not make you guys see things straight?

I remember once we said— it was so stupid. I said, well, she's never ready. That was a problem I brought up in therapy. She's never ready. We go out Saturday nights, we're supposed to be there at 7, and then I wind up waiting like an hour and a half for her to get ready, and it's like my time's wasted, and she doesn't care about anyone's time but her own. That was my gripe, whatever. And then I remember she's like, Marnie, would you be willing to be ready on time this Saturday night? Is that something you think you could do? And she would be like, yes, okay, I could be ready. So I remember that Saturday night I pulled up, you know, because I went and did something, and she was, she was sitting outside all made up, all perfect, with her, with her purse. And it was like, oh, this isn't who she is. Like, this— I'm forcing her to do this, you know what I mean?

That's so cute though.

Yeah. And she was— she tried, you know, she was like, okay, let's go to where we're supposed to go now.

I think that's great.

It is cute. She tried, you know, but I just ultimately, it was like, that's not who she is, and that's not who I was.

And then she went back to being late, and then the marriage ended. Hey, wait, this isn't who we are getting along. Let's, let's go back in there, change your outfit, and come back. I'm gonna scream at you for being late. I'm just— it's just, it's just like weird. Like, I don't know.

I know, because that's like a problem that's not really a problem. So you're like, well, what do we— we're working on something that's not change anything anyway.

I mean, I would think that if you have like— if you go to a therapist and you have problems other than like falling out of love, I feel like you can like work— like other than like deep psychological problems, I feel like if it's just like issues in the relationship, like things aren't going your way, I feel like you can work them out. Isn't that like—

some people don't want to change.

No, I guess you're right.

You know what I mean? And some people can't. I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and only talk about myself and how shitty I am, but but like for me, like I wanted to go make YouTube videos and, and that's weird. Yeah, like what 45-year-old dude wants a YouTuber?

And it makes me fucking giggle.

I would love to I'm not gonna say it. Is the podcast over?

You can say it if you want.

The podcast is over, guys. Yeah, guys, so much for listening. Thank you guys for tuning in.

Go see David's videos, they've been really good lately.

I didn't like the first— oh, you liked my last vlog?

Yeah, it was great.

Weird, I wasn't a fan of it, but I got a really good response from it.

Yeah, I'm sure it was great. Yeah, it touched on a lot of, uh, things that everyone goes through. Um, sex. I mean, it's very universal. Oh, that was what I liked about it.

Oh yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. That's why people liked it because it was universal. Um, what was I gonna say?

Uh, yeah, go watch David's vlogs, check them out on Twitter.

I like this podcast. I like the second half of this podcast.

I didn't like the first half that much, but I think the part where I was talking—

we'll edit that out. I was, I was thinking about surprising you last night when you fell asleep with a podcast just by myself. Oh, okay. That would have been pretty interesting.

Yeah, you could have done that, I guess. I could just get my things and go if you want.

No, that's not what I mean. I like, look, I thought I would, I thought I would have actually made you happy if you were like, you did it by yourself without me. I don't know, because I mean, you still would have made the money off it.

I would have been hurt.

The $5.

But that's fine, whatever you want to do.

Um, no, I'm kidding. I didn't know that that was going to hurt your feelings so bad. I'll keep you around, Jason. It's okay. Okay. All right guys, go buy our merch. Oh, oh, oh, go follow me on Instagram. I'm following people back. The next—

no, you're not.

I know I'm not. Um, but the next, the next 30 people that follow me—

no, you're not.

The next 10,000 people that follow me, I'm gonna follow you guys back. My Instagram is @daviddobrik. I'm not following you guys back, I'm just fucking lying, but follow me on Instagram. I'm trying to get to 10 million. Jason, anything you want to shout out? Where are you at now?

5.9. Trying to get to 10.

Yeah, I'm really far, but I, I think 10's the—

10's the spot to be.

Yeah, like, that's like when you're like, ah, this is nice. It's a nice spot, but it's really— I'm really far away, but I, I'm, I'm stepping it up.

I'd love to shout out, um, just my mom. Say, all right, bye guys.

Bye, see you guys.